1963 Volvo Amazon T5

deleted_user_160

T3rrorbyt3;95439 wrote
Thanks dude! Yeah has been hassle free so far!
Happy to help with any details you require for gearbox and clutch ( just a quick note any clutch for a focus rs mk2 / Volvo t5 m66 combo will fit the whiteblock and clear the 960 bell housing) as for the box a EB falcon t5 box with the deeworks adaptor plate will land the spigot smack bang in the right location and then you just need to machine a bush up to hold the spigot . If it's too short for what you need just throw a longer extension housing on. Hope this helps

T3rrorbyt3

Isn't the m66 clutch friction plate 23tooth?
Which would mean you have used the falcon XA-EA and EB 3.9lt friction plate with the volvo/ford spec pressure plate?
Any reason why you didn't use the falcon spec hd pressure plate and re-drill the holes?
Definitely cheaper than focus spec clutches. And rated for some 7-800hp in the HDCB spec combo. [/quote]

Whoops sorry forgot to mention that
I already had an extreme clutches single mass flywheel and twin plate clutch kit yes indeed there is an issue with the splines but as I'm doing the internals of the box I'm changing to a 28 spline anyway also I contacted extreme clutches and spoke to their tech department they will make up discs for their clutches to any spline you require with out extra charge when you buy a kit from them. they are very keen to assist with engine swaps.
As I already have a kit all I'm buying is two clutch discs.

The clutch I'm using is rated to 1200nm
Comes with a billet chromoly flywheel and concentric slave and I don't have to re drill anything all for $1400

There probably are cheaper ways of doing things but in the long run if I can buy something off the shelf that's good quality, Australian made with warranty and the manufacturer is willing to assist me in making the changes I require I'm going to do it so I can spend my time on parts of the build that I can't source, sometimes it's not about the cheapest way of doing things it's about being smart with your time... as Im at work a lot and also have a home life to live as well my time I get to spend on the Amazon is precious I'm not keen on having a build that takes years to complete. As the saying goes time is money.. so I'm happy to spend coin in some aspects and use the time I save to fund the build.

Ex850R

I love this thing.

I am bamboozzeled by the tech talk but like to learn , i learn as i go on how to do my repairs on my shitboxen Volvos and used to have grand plans for a Whiteblock in a '78 245 but the thought still scares me , if only i had a shop like you have access to i would be more keen.

Love all the mods and the parts you have chosen , my bro in-law is on a not dissimilar path ( but bogged down in depression unfortunately...) with a toyota 4cyl and T50 box , WRX rear end , Wilwood brakes and other bits , MX5 rear suspension etc etc , all in a tiny Triumph 2 door , crazy but very inspiring! I push him as much as possible just to see what is next!

Putting it simply , you inspire me on to greater things Bloke , i can wait to read the next chapter every time i log in!

Go you good thing!

Ex850R

You actually got me thinking about my aborted Whiteblock removal before scrapping of my v70, I can take it out the top!
I HD given up and was going to leave it and scrap the lot.

deleted_user_160

Not having all the answers is the beauties of build threads and communities. Build it your way don't think anyone is saying not to. Some of us are just asking why you chose to go left instead of right. Not for questioning your methods or the like,, not for "your doing it wrong" just simply for the knowledge gained from it.

These are the reasons I do things from a non traditional/like everyone else:
I didn't choose the right path like many others as I couldn't source "xyz", though I could source this similar part locally or I had access to this lathe, and this milling machine. I'm a competent welder, I've made similar parts for other projects in the past.

I genuinely asked about your clutch set up as the information provided seemed to conflict, was curious if you had stumbled across things that maybe I had overlooked or not noticed at all.
And just noticed that they were the same spec as the redblock clutch and the boxes are (for lack of not a gearbox thread) the same as what I'm using. So understandably there was a bit of invested interest.

jamesinc

All, please dial back the round-and-round 20 questions on everything. This is @T3rrorbyt3's build thread, so please respect his requests for less questions (especially repeated questions) as he completes this build.

Vee_Que

Except he introduced new information, so why remove new questions? changing an input shaft to a 28 spline is interesting given the box chosen was because of the input shaft length. was the t5 question answered? Seriously, not a hard one to answer and good information was deleted to help others here.

deleted_user_160

T3rrorbyt3;95450 wrote Isn't the m66 clutch friction plate 23tooth?
Which would mean you have used the falcon XA-EA and EB 3.9lt friction plate with the volvo/ford spec pressure plate?
Any reason why you didn't use the falcon spec hd pressure plate and re-drill the holes?
Definitely cheaper than focus spec clutches. And rated for some 7-800hp in the HDCB spec combo.

Whoops sorry forgot to mention that
I already had an extreme clutches single mass flywheel and twin plate clutch kit yes indeed there is an issue with the splines but as I'm doing the internals of the box I'm changing to a 28 spline anyway also I contacted extreme clutches and spoke to their tech department they will make up discs for their clutches to any spline you require with out extra charge when you buy a kit from them. they are very keen to assist with engine swaps.
As I already have a kit all I'm buying is two clutch discs.

The clutch I'm using is rated to 1200nm
Comes with a billet chromoly flywheel and concentric slave and I don't have to re drill anything all for $1400

There probably are cheaper ways of doing things but in the long run if I can buy something off the shelf that's good quality, Australian made with warranty and the manufacturer is willing to assist me in making the changes I require I'm going to do it so I can spend my time on parts of the build that I can't source, sometimes it's not about the cheapest way of doing things it's about being smart with your time... as Im at work a lot and also have a home life to live as well my time I get to spend on the Amazon is precious I'm not keen on having a build that takes years to complete. As the saying goes time is money.. so I'm happy to spend coin in some aspects and use the time I save to fund the build.
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Awesome, that sheds some light on the subject. Definitely a smidge more coin that's for sure.
For the sake of saving $1000 using an every HDCB with a concentric slave/throwout bearing for the same sweeping diameter clutch 6 holes drilled. Might be food for thought for the future?

We did this for two reasons, sweeping size increase by more than 1" increased HP/torque ratings (even with the oem Ford spec unit) and parts availability in comparison with the Volvo units.
The bonus, was even with the higher spec heavy duty cushion button (HDCB) set up it was still a couple hundred cheaper than Volvo spec units.

Just quickly what's the thoughts behind a 28spline input shaft? That's not m66 not falcon/mustang spec?

timbo

This isnt the T5 swap thread though and you guys seem to have missed that the gearbox case, gearset and input shaft are going to be replaced with either the astro or gforce kit.
This involves different gear ratios and the 26spline input shaft.
That's the main reason for not refering to the T5 as a 6cyl eb falcon box.

Danilos early reference to input shaft length is only in comparison to the other T5s I have.
They are 6cyl and V8 commodore and neither of these have a remotely suitable input shaft length for the adaptor plate or extension housing length for the engine/chassis combo.

Thanks for sharing your info on what you guys have done with your clutch setup though.
It's no doubt the best value for money option

Ex850R

I have to ask again , will the gearbox have an 8 ball knob on the gearstick or something equally suitable for such a great build?

deleted_user_160

That's fine. Though as previously mentioned, you guys don't have a separate thread for the gearbox and this is a complete car build thread no? Its a why a few of us asked in this thread, this gearbox is going in this car (or one close to), the information also conflicted with what was provided or wasn't provided in the first place. Hence the questions. And if those supplying the info don't know that's perfectly acceptable also.

Are the Astro/gforce more one off shafts or shelf ready parts?

timbo

They both do off the shelf upgades for the T5. There are a number of options to decide on still as G-Force offers dog-ring, straight-cut, and helical-cut dog-ring gears (probs go for this option). Basically you end up with a relatively sturdy competition level T5.
Astro also has a similar approach to upgrading the T5 but i think they are slightly more street car oriented.

timbo

Ex850R;95605 wroteI have to ask again , will the gearbox have an 8 ball knob on the gearstick or something equally suitable for such a great build?

Fritz is planning to retain the stock gearshifter with an adaptor for the T5

T3rrorbyt3

Hey guys.

I'm going to do a full list with part numbers when it's finished, at the moment we have ideas on lots of things but haven't yet finalized everything.
Let me do it and then I can answer all the questions you have instead of just speculating and then being asked more questions.

Thanks in advance

Philia_Bear

Paused for a little while now that the holidays are over or still going strong?

T3rrorbyt3

Philia_Bear;95624 wrotePaused for a little while now that the holidays are over or still going strong?

Ha nope still going strong! Just having a few days off

Philia_Bear

T3rrorbyt3;95626 wrote
Philia_Bear;95624 wrotePaused for a little while now that the holidays are over or still going strong?
Ha nope still going strong! Just having a few days off

Nice,

Are you planning to extend the orange and silver and black highlights from the engine bay to other parts of the car?

T3rrorbyt3

Philia_Bear;95628 wrote
T3rrorbyt3;95626 wrote
Philia_Bear;95624 wrotePaused for a little while now that the holidays are over or still going strong?
Ha nope still going strong! Just having a few days off

Nice,

Are you planning to extend the orange and silver and black highlights from the engine bay to other parts of the car?

Exterior will remain untouched for quite some time but the whole under carriage will be cleaned up and the colors will continue through to the diff and suspension.

Ex850R

Kool!

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