The tedious bit is done, new bearings, rings, cam and timing gear, pushrods and lifters, double checking and triple checking all clearances. Haven’t had much time too much motorcycling.
waiting on new water and oil pumps, gonna keep the mech fuel pump should be fine.
will start on carby next until parts arrive to complete engine assembly
Great project - Looking forward to seeing progress
I have a radiator to suit a 308 in a 240 if anyone wants it
Well guys not many updates didn’t get much done through Christmas. Have the engine rebuilt now even put a spicy cam in it.
Pulled the whole k frame out of the wagon to swap it over as it has mounts and power steering.
gonna start taking the old b21a out over the next week and get the k frames swapped over
picked up the Toyota gearbox but bellhousing doesn’t match so on the hunt for a supra-turbo pattern bellhousing
wagon has gone to scrap now too got more space for conversion activities
I keep seeing short and long block VN on virgin bore 304s on Facebook go for under $500 something to think about?
Block is red, build checks out
Vee_QueI keep seeing short and long block VN on virgin bore 304s on Facebook go for under $500 something to think about?
The main problem with these motors are that it's a pain to get them compliant with carbs. On a semi related story, I was thinking about one of those for the HQ but after talking to the local engineer he said that I would need to fit EFI to have a chance of getting it complied simply. If I fitted carbs it would have to get smogged with the only non smog option being to run straight gas on carbs but then it would need to get checked out for the gas and gas is hard to find these days. Long story short was that running a VN motor in an old car is a paperwork nightmare unless you run the EFI.
That 308 should last as a cruiser but is on its last rebuild at 60 over. I think if he were to do another V8 then an LS would make more sense as the Holden motors are very pricey when it comes to aftermarket parts when compared to the Chev stuff. This is what pushed me to find a 350 for the HQ instead of a 308 that being said, it's was the best condition motor I could find for the money I wanted to spend and all the 308s up here were basically rusted out boat anchors from living in ski boats all their lives!
I found problem finding a decent 308 was $$$$
the block I bought unfortunately condition was unknown and didn’t want to fork out for another one im trying to keep a pretty tight budget on this build as it is only a cruiser will barely even get driven more for the enjoyment I suppose
have pulled the b21a and gearbox out now if anyone needs one is for sale (about 150,000kms from new)
got 2 k frames to make 1 good one paint and look pretty
clean up engine bay as well
Ever thought about converting the B21A to B21ET with a worked 405 head? You've got a carby already.
Slowbrickhttps://ozvolvo.org/discussion/comment/173266#Comment_173266
The main problem with these motors are that it's a pain to get them compliant with carbs. On a semi related story, I was thinking about one of those for the HQ but after talking to the local engineer he said that I would need to fit EFI to have a chance of getting it complied simply. If I fitted carbs it would have to get smogged with the only non smog option being to run straight gas on carbs but then it would need to get checked out for the gas and gas is hard to find these days. Long story short was that running a VN motor in an old car is a paperwork nightmare unless you run the EFI.
That 308 should last as a cruiser but is on its last rebuild at 60 over. I think if he were to do another V8 then an LS would make more sense as the Holden motors are very pricey when it comes to aftermarket parts when compared to the Chev stuff. This is what pushed me to find a 350 for the HQ instead of a 308 that being said, it's was the best condition motor I could find for the money I wanted to spend and all the 308s up here were basically rusted out boat anchors from living in ski boats all their lives!
You are obviously don't have much experience building 308/4 motors then. As it's easy to work around the emissions issues by way of using vl heads for instance.
Second, the engine numbers don't get picked up unless you're an armchair expert and you can get carbied intakes for the far superior VN heads. Or of course going to any EFI which is pretty superior to a qaudy. But I only build motors in my weekends with my machinist. What do I know?
Down in Melbourne like I said, always virgin bore 304s, for a lot less than checks, 350 chev parts are similar cost to the Holden motor but don't sound as good and head options on a budget can result in having a 180hp 350 cube engine pretty easily vs a 304, where you can't get heads as wrong, but once again arm chair experts know better.
Vee_Quehttps://ozvolvo.org/discussion/comment/173304#Comment_173304
You are obviously don't have much experience building 308/4 motors then. As it's easy to work around the emissions issues by way of using vl heads for instance.
Second, the engine numbers don't get picked up unless you're an armchair expert and you can get carbied intakes for the far superior VN heads. Or of course going to any EFI which is pretty superior to a qaudy. But I only build motors in my weekends with my machinist. What do I know?
Down in Melbourne like I said, always virgin bore 304s, for a lot less than checks, 350 chev parts are similar cost to the Holden motor but don't sound as good and head options on a budget can result in having a 180hp 350 cube engine pretty easily vs a 304, where you can't get heads as wrong, but once again arm chair experts know better.
Why are you being so agro about this? Just relax. In my limited experience on Holden V8s but not rego and engineering I approached 3 engineers and they all said the exact same thing. "Put it on gas or be prepared to have it smogged". It doesn't matter how much you know about building engines. It doesn't matter how much experience you have. I wanted the easiest way to get my paperwork signed off. That meant not building a carbed 304 and instead building a 350. The 350 will go right through without smog. The 304 will need to be smogged and opens up a can of worms for me in terms of paperwork. The three engineers I approached are not armchair experts. The blueslip station I will take it to is also not an armchair expert. They will know the difference and will then ask me to go have it smogged, put it on EFI or run straight gas. I don't want to do any of those things so that's why the 350 was bought
Just take it easy and stop being such a dick about everything and get off your pedestal.
If you start with a newer lt1 style chev you need emissions also, so you must have an early 350 also. Most are flogged out.
This is an emissions equiped early 308 that has functioning egr and carbon canister.
will dummy fit the carbon canister and leave egr parts fitted for engineering purpose and block off later - I do understand the block being 60 over and having a slight score isn’t the best idea in the world but these engines are agricultural as fuck it will last a long time as just a cruiser, no intentions of touring or working out of it ha ha
i started on the turbo route about 12 years ago for my 242 but ended up broke and sold it all off and the body just a few years ago
all I’m trying to achieve is a tough sounding sleeper and running the supra gearbox as I can’t find it done anywhere in a volvo most are running autos from what I can find. I am not chasing big horsepower at all engine has been rebuild to stock specs
this car is purely most part for the enjoyment of building it
anyway cleaning k frame is proving pretty dirty and time consuming will keep working away today
And I’m in gippsland Vic - traralgon
Vee_QueIf you start with a newer lt1 style chev you need emissions also, so you must have an early 350 also. Most are flogged out.
You know more about the engine sitting in my garage than I do.
It isn't an LT1. It's an early 70s C10 pickup 4 bolt main block with fuelie double hump heads. It was also a virgin bore until I had it machined. I've spoken to my engineer who said it will comply without issue as HQs were offered with a 350 as an option. HQ and HQ option. I've sussed out the information I need to make this as easy as possible. I tried to find a 308 and couldn't find a decent one. I asked about a 304 and was told the same answer by 3 people. My brother in law had the exact experience that was described by the 3 engineers. He had a HZ with a 253. Wanted a 308, couldn't find one so resorted to VN 304. Was told he had to keep the EFI and swapped the whole lot over. Lost value on the car because of the EFI. I don't want to do that which is why I've sourced a 350 instead of a 304.
This thread isn't about how much you know about everything there is to know about. I simply put forward my first hand experience on using a carbed 304 in regards to what might happen when you rock up to the RTA office. If you become an approved engineer and are happy to sign off carbed 304s then you will have a nice market to cater to. Until that happens then people will keep spending big money on 308s to keep themselves out of the eyes of Mr EPA.
Cleaning rebuilding and painting as I go this is proving very time consuming
glad I had a second pair of calipers laying around fronts off the 244 were seized to the crap house and slides R clip had been replaced with a safety pin, pretty funny. Gonna upset some people but I am not replacing the dust seals on the pistons i have always found when they tear they hold water and dirt inside and create more problems
out of the 4 struts I have they are all knackered so need to order some replacements if anyone has recommendations and have ordered new ball joints
Looking good!
Well the compressor and bench Grinder have had a good work out
2 rotten front ends slowly making 1 , come across some more funky things but luckily have done pretty well so far only had to order new ball joints. Front shocks out of the sedan are still great and going to utilise the wagons front springs. Check out the height of the old lowered 244 and bump stops ha ha no more low anymore.
Decent score in one of the rotors
and got the engine bay painted up where dot4 had stripped it bare
Brakes were completely disassembled and rebuilt had some fun with a couple of seized calipers
beers are going down great too... cheers
