Ben
But does that really change things much? Surely with either system Delz can't own a registered vehicle without having an Australian license?
Edit: Apparently you can own and register a vehicle without a license, just can't drive it. But if she's got an international license then she can drive it. So I see what you're saying, she would get a car on the road without the associated fees if that system was implemented. One solution would be that a car cannot be registered without a license, I can't see that affecting too many people as most states require a license to be obtained within three months.
I'm still really surprised you can register a car without a license.
PaddlerEd
Nope, We owned the Van, the Land Cruiser and the Volvo whilst we were on our UK licences.... It's cheaper for CTP with QBE now I have an Aus licence, so I got my first Aus licence in October 2011, and am about to get my 3rd year now on a NSW licence next month.
All they want is proof of identity, address and licencing from a reliable country, so a letter from the bank with our bank cards attached, passport and UK driving licence and I had an RTA customer number. Once you get that you're sorted for what ever you need to do.
Ben
I ninja edited just as you posted. Hmm, interesting.
PaddlerEd
The issue with your suggestion Ben is that me and Matty wouldn't need to get a NSW licence, as we are on a finite visa... therefore we would avoid paying for the use of the roads.
Also, how fair would it be for the residents of SydBourBane who have a licence, but don't have a car? I suppose they would be paying for the roads that they cycle along, or the bus travels along or the taxi (non-Uber) uses, therefore reducing public transport costs for those who do not (cannot) hold a licence...
I like this idea, however it needs a bit more development.... but not impossible, and would allow for quite accurate risk calculations.
Ben
You're right, the idea has a few holes lol. Interesting avenue though.
PaddlerEd
Stop editing!
Here's what the RTA have to say
Ex850R
This is why i wouldnt go to meetings with you old farts , so much chatter about crap! Lets go drive cars ffs!
mr_blackstock
Hello,
There is some handy ideas here. To Vee_que just a couple of points... clubs are allowed to set via their policies the conditions of membership, quite a few do have minimum attendance, some as high as three main events a year. Concerning local industries, while many people do shop online to save money, it can be a false economy when postage is taken in account, especially from the states. At the end of the day, the more old cars on the road will create more oppurtunities for locals to make money.
Why does a person using their car for purposes other than events ruin anything for anyone? A vehicle on club plates IS a fully legal and registered vehicle, there are not too many grey areas about legallity and public roads.
If a person has four vehicles all on club plates, what is the issue? They are paying their way, they are legal and entitled to use their vehicles within the bounds of the law.
To Ben, the perception that revenue is lost seems out of whack. The fees for the 90 permit cover the drivers share of costs, I doubt there is any loss of revenue. I think it is a misnomer that rego fees go to the roads, perhaps in the past, but i very much doubt that our rego fees actually benefit the road system.
I do not think there needs to be a winner or loser with club plates, the minute people start defining what old vehicles are for and what the drivers should be allowed to do is the begining of the end.
An old car or bike on the road is a good thing....it reminds people they are not death traps, which is important. In the coming years the government will use many means of removing old cars for good, under the guise of improving road safety. It's no longer cashed up baby boomers who enjoy old machinery.
Ben
PaddlerEd;20009 wroteStop editing!
Here's what the RTA have to say
No, it's fun! =P
But yep, I looked it up as well.
Tigabu
Cheers, Gareth :)>-
Vee_Que
Gareth, I don't agree with you on this point, here's why. I bought one of my last 7 series Volvo's off a bloke who had 4 cars on club rego, the car had been run into the ground by the owner, and it had club plates, but was NOT roadworthy. That is the issue with what you're talking about, because in theory yes promoting more people to use old cars as dailies should bring in more parts service and maintenance for workshops and spare parts. The reality is that it hasn't really happened since the scheme has started. Just more home mechanics driving old good cars into the ground on club plates so they are harder to keep going when said owner moves onto the next cheap to register car. It is not in the spirit of the scheme and is what I believe they were trying to avoid in creating the scheme.
As it is easy to start a club and nominate one person to check the cars, the permit scheme does NOT make them a registered car in the legal sense, it's merely a 90 day unregistered vehicle permit in the form of registration plates, the idea being for older cars without seat belts or other things that are considered to be needed for a fully registered and roadworthy car can still be on the roads. Insurance companies view it the same way and if someone has 4 cars on club plates and no fully registered car and then has accidents in each car, it makes everyone's premiums higher too. These people ruin it for everyone else.
Furthermore, old cars ARE NOT death traps, but they definitely not something that should be driven daily, no power assisted brakes, collapsible steering columns etc let alone strength of steels should stop you from wanting to use 4 different 25 year+ old cars as daily drivers.
Furthermore, as the car is unregistered you aren't allowed to use it for profit or towing and the like, you can and will be fined.
I daily drive a 740T which I tow and use for work purposes so it won't be turned onto club plates, my 760 will go on plates when I get back from europe, and it only needs to be considered safe to get the plates. The 122 will only be used to drive to work occasionally, usually if I need to check it out as I am a mechanic and can work on my cars there, but they will both basically be weekend cars to be used for enjoyment, in the spirit of club plates.
240Joe
VQ stop trying to flaunt your opinions as fact. It is these opinions that gives the permit scheme a bad name.
If the permit scheme wasn’t here I would still be driving my old cars every day regardless. Your opinion of my safety in doing this has nothing to do with the scheme. My cars aren’t run into the ground and the fact that you are a mechanic does not make you more worthy to drive them to work than me.
My ’75 242 is currently on club plates and yes it was inspected by a club safety officer to be on the scheme but you need to consider that the car was fully registered when I bought it off it’s first owner. As you know for full rego in Vic we only one RWC when we buy a vehicle and put it on full rego, so if this owner hadn’t sold it the PO would still be driving it every day having still never had a RWC or safety inspection in 39 year life.
Should the concern here be the inspection process of being on full rego or the club permit scheme, or that it is an old car (that you believe) shouldn’t be driven every day?
Maybe your issue is actually with the safety inspection process and not the scheme in general. Please stop spreading the negative word about the scheme because it is users that feel they are more worthy than others who will ruin it for everyone.
/rant
egads
Yup, I drive, at best, and 85 360 every dayat least 100k's. Old does not make unsafe. I also drive my 144 half the time and it is safer for me to drive that my 360 as it has been maintained better in the long term. If NSW had a similar scheme I would likely have a few more 1 series cars on the road also but as I am rural I probably would be getting normal pink slips to stay on the scheme anyway.
mr_blackstock
I can understand where Vee Que is coming from. I imagine some clubs could improve the scheme with more stringent safety checks, like Joe suggests also. However an owner of a normally registered car can still drive it into the ground, as also suggested, without ever being taken "over the pits".
The govt seems to trust in a canary scheme and trust in the vehicle users responsibility re car maintenance.
Also, I may be wrong on this, but I think that cars over a certain age are exempt from having to have certain modern elements, seat belts and indicators such as on 1950's and earlier cars which can be registered normally I think.
I do take exception with what you say about older vehicles being largely unsafe for frequent use! Considering that modern cars fill the driver with invulnerability thanks to race tuned handling, brakes, enormous torque, these people are still wrapping themselves around trees when the vehicle exceeds their skills.....a similar story throughout motoring history...without downplaying the huge safety advances in the past decades, your statement ignores the psychology of drivers and the increased reliance on technology and less on their skills.
Since when I first got my license I have driven old cars and bikes, I currently own a 1979 250, a 1982 650, and my daily ride is an '85 1200cc bike as well as my beloved '85 Volvo-non are on club plates, only two registered.
I have never considered myself at more risk due to what I drive, only how I drive it. I believe the classic vehicle club is changing or has changed, embracing younger drivers with different needs seems the way of the future and when this happens may be more in the spirit of club plates than many people currently feel it is.
cheers, Gareth
Tigabu
All good points, Gentlemen, and yes we need to be mindful of generalisations, including generalisations about people's points of view, opinion and agenda.
In order for schemes of any type to work a certain amount of goodwill needs to be displayed. Unfortunately too many folks (not aiming this at any one here AT ALL) take advantage of this to avoid proper safety and maintenance concerns, and it is (as always in this life) the few bad apples who destroy it for the majority.
Continued discussion and nutting this out for the purposes of bettering the schemes and making the privilege of owning a motor vehicle(s) mean so much more is what is happening, by and large, and in this forum the better the understanding of all points of view, the better IMO.
Well done chaps!!! :)>-
Spac
If you own a 30 yo car, you have the choice of putting it on historic rego or not. The type of rego doesn't alter how safe the car is or is not.
I don't see what the problem is?
Ex850R
^ Basically YES. All the other babble is nonsensical.
iceton1975
Meeting was today with AMOC in Victoria, the 25 year rule is still here, no changes, but if your car is modified you need a engineer cert, and a different plate instead of H, it will be M for modified.
Also all cars coming onto the club plate scheme need a RWC also know as a pink slip, this will be here July time if they get there fingers out
240Joe
That's good news Pom, I'm glad they've looked at and found some solutions. It's a great scheme and we're lucky to have it in Vic.
egads
Cool, sounds like reasonable changes and ensures some consistency.