Ex850R
If the ruling has not come into effect why exclude or disuade peeps now?
AshDVS
Ex850R;19494 wroteIf the ruling has not come into effect why exclude or disuade peeps now?
I'm not entirely sure this is actually happening. Lots of heresay about it on this forum, definitely with good intention, but it would be worth attending a meeting if there is genuine concern and if you're a member of the club.
A_Volvo_Driver
I'm confused. Is the sole purpose of joining a club just to get Club registration?
Spac
Scott, it often is.
In the context of what's apparently being suggested here, the perception of being a second rate member (WRT the rego conditions), will drive away a surprising number of 240/740 owners - even those that don't need/want historic rego on their 2/7s.
iceton1975
I just put 2 1988 740 Turbos on Club plates yesterday, until the ruling with Vic roads change there are no issues, it will happen the 30 year rollover, its all been approved with the AMOC, so I am told, but with out consulting the car clubs, sounds a bit wrong to me
Ben
volstretch;19356 wroteBen, I'm sure we can detour via Canberra with an extra car for you and Tina to drive to Parkes
Thanks for the offer Guv but it's just me heading up and at the moment I'll probably take the Aurion or borrow one of Emma's.
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Spac;19512 wroteScott, it often is.
I actually fielded a lot of calls from people who had a Volvo and just wanted to know about the club rego, when was getting more publicity. They seemed quite miffed when I told them we did expect them to actually turn up to a few events - seems they thought they could mail in documents and that was it.
iceton1975
Sounds like they are not true Volvo nuts but looking to save a dollar, tell em to get stuffed, we only want nutters on club plates, and people that love there cars, is this true everyone?
Spac
No. People can love their cars without wanting to be part of the club scene.
egads (she/her)
I, for instance, would love to be in a club and be able to do rego things however I really don't have the time or inclination to go to Sydney for stuff. I suspect there are other people like me who like keeping old Volvos alive but don't live in the capitals.
irishbastard
iceton1975;19772 wroteSounds like they are not true Volvo nuts but looking to save a dollar, tell em to get stuffed, we only want nutters on club plates, and people that love there cars, is this true everyone?
Yep, sure is.
mr_blackstock
I think historic vehicle clubs will have already, or be in the midst of redefining themselves. Prior to the relaxing of club plate requirements most people who sought the plates were enthusiasts, either motorcycle or car. With the relaxing of requirements more people realised they could keep their old car/bike and their modern vehicle. So now there are two types of people wanting to join clubs and use their cars, the enthusiasts and "daily users"
The enthusiasts are not keen on the influx of new people as in their eyes they are not joining in the spirit of the "club", and create rules to ensure a minimum involvement in club activities.
The "daily users" are in an odd position whereby they do not get much time off to attend events, nor do they maintain an immaculate example of their car or bike. There are a few clubs whose members are mostly over 50, and many "daily users" are under 35 or 40.
At the end of the day more people driving or riding old vehicles benefits clubs hugely. Local companies are more inclined to either import more parts or sell their existing parts cheaper if they think there is a decent market out there.
A government agency, ie Vic roads “contracted” out dealing with older vehicles via the club rego scheme, taking the public’s ability to access older vehicle ownership and giving control of that avenue to private clubs. The clubs basically have a monopoly on older vehicle registration, especially when my last rego was near $600.
Why can’t the clubs have a type of dual membership, one for the event attending enthusiasts, one for daily users? As long as the vehicles are legal and maintained is there really a reason why two types could not exist?
Some thoughts on the matter…
Cheers, Gareth
Ex850R
Excellent interpretation!
Gotta say , some peeps don't want to attend club meetings because of the old fogeys who creat this perceived "problem" and don't get that these cars can and should be modified to be made safer in the most part!
L.
Spac
The real answer is for CTPPersonal insurance and the road tax part of your rego to be moved to your licence.
This has numerous benefits, but the main one is that full rego for each vehicle will cost less than historic rego currently does.
The secondary one is that your CTPPersonal insurance premium will relate directly to you and your record, rather than some vague assumptions about the vehicle you drive or where you live.
Vee_Que
There is currently no requirement to come to events except the change in the Victorian club to come to ONE event during the year in order to renew their registration for the car I think it is. I'm very time poor and I'm 25, yet to have a car on cub plates but when I do I will probably only make one club run a year or the show. My last regos were $700, so you're getting off easily under 600.
In regards to Volvo parts, well, there is more than one company that covers 122's and p1800's, 140's to a degree and 240's also. For the most part people reject local sellers in favor of buying internationally from companies with much bigger economies of scale. So no matter how many 122's and 140's and 240's are on the road, the supply base locally won't ever be huge the same way it is with Rare spares for Australian made cars that were the big 3, because there is not much support for BMC products etc....
The 90 day permit is NOT for using 4 cars in place of one daily driver either, people who treat it like that ruin the ENTIRE system for everyone. The idea is that you will use the car on weekends for recreation as they effectively unregistered vehicles with occasional trips to work. NOT for daily use in the way I'm reading you to think of it as Gareth. So that's why that can't exist...
egads (she/her)
You could even reflect it in club dues being lower for the meeting/event attending ness and a bit higher for the daily users.
Ben
I like your post Gareth, it's a good insight to a lot of car clubs.
But, if there were two types of club rego, does anyone really win? The motorist does for sure with reduced rego, but what about insurance and road maintenance costs? What would happen if new clubs are formed and everyone becomes a club member? From where does that lost revenue get replaced from? It's a complex question in a lot of ways but to distill it down, if you're an enthusiast and have occasional cars then the scheme benefits you and clubs. If not, you pay full rego and society benefits - because fundamentally you're using infrastructure just the same as anyone else.
Ben
Ex850R;19945 wroteGotta say , some peeps don't want to attend club meetings because of the old fogeys
Fixed. :P Though in reality we have chosen a car with a certain stigma, it should be par for the course!
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Spac;19953 wroteThe real answer is for CTPPersonal insurance and the road tax part of your rego to be moved to your licence.
I like this idea, then you just pay for each vehicle and it gets around problems such as lending out cars. Nice.
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Vee_Que;19954 wroteThere is currently no requirement to come to events except the change in the Victorian club to come to ONE event during the year in order to renew their registration for the car I think it is.
There is an expectation that you're an active member of the club. That's a bit vague but you come to the big events, occasional drive and are active with club members so I'm sure you'd be considered active. I think that's a good thing, it does stop people from doing the minimum - although
"if it wasn't good enough it wouldn't be called the minimum" as Office Space taught us:
A_Volvo_Driver
You can never have enough flair
Ben
*turns down stereo volume in car*
PaddlerEd
Ben;19971 wroteSpac;19953 wroteThe real answer is for CTPPersonal insurance and the road tax part of your rego to be moved to your licence.
I like this idea, then you just pay for each vehicle and it gets around problems such as lending out cars. Nice.
The problem I see is people like Delz who is on her UK licence... whereas I'm on my NSW licence (there is method to the madness, although we don't have many cameras up here)
There is no obligation for an international to get a NSW licence if they are here on a finite visa, and you can't get a NSW licence until you've been in the country for a continuous 6 months.
