Brake pad identification

Crackatinny

I have a bit of confusion over the front brake pads in my 1973 144.
When I look up the model on ebay I get a different looking pad for most results. Same when I look up Bendix brake catalogue. Even the dimensions are different. My pad is 98mmx60mm (See attached pic). IThe caliper has a G embossed on it so assume it is Girling. I think through a bit of research the TRW part number might be GDB576. Girling number 6105761. Bosch number BP169. Can anyone verify these part numbers or give me others.
Also can anyone explain why the pads are different to those I find under 1973 144? All I can think is a build region or perhaps different calipers have at some stage been fitted however they look standard.
Thanks in advance.

carnut222

From the dimensions and a bit of web research it looks like D43 pad...
https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=HB204
Search on that. Appears to fit all 140 and 240 front with Girling calipers. Hope that helps.

carnut222

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/volvo-disc-brake-pad-front-244-245-240-242-262-264-265-140-1800-oe-volvo

carnut222

If you want or Volvo pads Tasca parts in the USA is probably cheapest option
https://www.tascaparts.com/oem-parts/volvo-brake-pad-kit-31261180

carnut222

I think it might be Bosch BP43 if you want Bosch.

carnut222

Definitely not Bosch BP169 as that's only 55 x 61.8 mm

carnut222

I've got nothing better to do tonight LOL!

carnut222

Looks like Supercheap auto has 2 options. Bendix for 49.99 or Bosch (different part number but it is likely a Supercheap special order part number) for 42.99. Both available from the Supercheap Auto website if you put on your car model and search for brake pads. :)

carnut222

I think DB549 pads will also work...eBay aus has quite a few hits on that one. From $26 a set with free shipping. Maybe cheap and nasty depends on what you want.

Crackatinny

Thanks Carnut. I tried the local Supercheap this afternoon but they couldn't get the Bosch item. Supplier out of stock and no longer do them. Next cheapest was $127. Don't know what brand they were.

Crackatinny

The Bendix one at Supercheap is not the right pad.

Crackatinny

Thanks again Carnut. I have ordered the Bosch ones online to see what happens. Surely if unavailable they would remove them from the online store.

Major Ledfoot

Crackatinny;8307 wroteMy pad is 98mmx60mm (See attached pic). IThe caliper has a G embossed on it so assume it is Girling. I think through a bit of research the TRW part number might be GDB576. Girling number 6105761. Bosch number BP169. Can anyone verify these part numbers or give me others.

According to Girling themselves -

6105761 (Brake Pad Set, disc brake)
Fitting Position: Front Axle
Type: 142
Manufacturer Restriction: TRW
Wear Warning Contact: not prepared for wear indicator
Height [mm]: 60,3
Length [mm]: 98,3
Thickness [mm]: 16

The original asbestos Volvo pads were p/n 272534, then superseded by p/n 272566-1.
There was also a 'taxi' set available - p/n 275894-4

The new part number from Mother Volvo for asbestos free pads appears to be 31261180.
https://www.volvopartswebstore.com/products/Volvo/Brake-pad-kit/1128362/31261180.html

These are an alternative.
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/volvo-disc-brake-pad-bp43

Also can anyone explain why the pads are different to those I find under 1973 144?

I'm anyone, and I'll have a shot...

I presume you have solid rotors on the front of your fine machine? If you have ventilated rotors, your car has almost certainly has had a caliper change.

Another thing is that many non-specialist parts vendors think that because 140s all have virtually the same shape, they all have all the same parts - which is untrue, as the 140s had many 'one year model only' components. So on that principle, they lump ATE and Girling pads together and say "yeah mate, it fits a 140" until they learn their folly the hard way.

Here's a trick: If you find a set of pads around and the seller says the same part number will also fit a 1973 164E, then either they're the wrong pads for you, or the seller doesn't know what they're talking about, since ALL 164s in '73 got ATE front calipers with ventilated rotors, and vented and non-vented ATE pads will interchange.

Some 140s also got non-ventilated ATE fronts, but I've never seen any in OZ. Plus AFAIK, no 140 was fitted with ventilated rotors from the factory.

Thus the 140 and 164 from pads for (standard) 1973 model cars cannot be the same.

carnut222

bgpzfm142;130931 wrote
Crackatinny;8307 wroteMy pad is 98mmx60mm (See attached pic). IThe caliper has a G embossed on it so assume it is Girling. I think through a bit of research the TRW part number might be GDB576. Girling number 6105761. Bosch number BP169. Can anyone verify these part numbers or give me others.
According to Girling themselves -

6105761 (Brake Pad Set, disc brake)
Fitting Position: Front Axle
Type: 142
Manufacturer Restriction: TRW
Wear Warning Contact: not prepared for wear indicator
Height [mm]: 60,3
Length [mm]: 98,3
Thickness [mm]: 16

The original asbestos Volvo pads were p/n 272534, then superseded by p/n 272566-1.
There was also a 'taxi' set available - p/n 275894-4

The new part number from Mother Volvo for asbestos free pads appears to be 31261180.
https://www.volvopartswebstore.com/products/Volvo/Brake-pad-kit/1128362/31261180.html

These are an alternative.
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/volvo-disc-brake-pad-bp43

Also can anyone explain why the pads are different to those I find under 1973 144?
I'm anyone, and I'll have a shot...

I presume you have solid rotors on the front of your fine machine? If you have ventilated rotors, your car has almost certainly has had a caliper change.

Another thing is that many non-specialist parts vendors think that because 140s all have virtually the same shape, they all have all the same parts - which is untrue, as the 140s had many 'one year model only' components. So on that principle, they lump ATE and Girling pads together and say "yeah mate, it fits a 140" until they learn their folly the hard way.

Here's a trick: If you find a set of pads around and the seller says the same part number will also fit a 1973 164E, then either they're the wrong pads for you, or the seller doesn't know what they're talking about, since ALL 164s in '73 got ATE front calipers with ventilated rotors, and vented and non-vented ATE pads will interchange.

Some 140s also got non-ventilated ATE fronts, but I've never seen any in OZ. Plus AFAIK, no 140 was fitted with ventilated rotors from the factory.

Thus the 140 and 164 from pads for (standard) 1973 model cars cannot be the same.

He said he has Girling calipers, so obviously he hasn't got 164 ATE vented rotor calipers.

BP43 and 31261180 are same as what I suggested so we agree on that.

Spac

carnut222;130933 wrote
bgpzfm142;130931 wrote
Crackatinny;8307 wroteMy pad is 98mmx60mm (See attached pic). IThe caliper has a G embossed on it so assume it is Girling. I think through a bit of research the TRW part number might be GDB576. Girling number 6105761. Bosch number BP169. Can anyone verify these part numbers or give me others.
According to Girling themselves -

6105761 (Brake Pad Set, disc brake)
Fitting Position: Front Axle
Type: 142
Manufacturer Restriction: TRW
Wear Warning Contact: not prepared for wear indicator
Height [mm]: 60,3
Length [mm]: 98,3
Thickness [mm]: 16

The original asbestos Volvo pads were p/n 272534, then superseded by p/n 272566-1.
There was also a 'taxi' set available - p/n 275894-4

The new part number from Mother Volvo for asbestos free pads appears to be 31261180.
https://www.volvopartswebstore.com/products/Volvo/Brake-pad-kit/1128362/31261180.html

These are an alternative.
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/volvo-disc-brake-pad-bp43

Also can anyone explain why the pads are different to those I find under 1973 144?
I'm anyone, and I'll have a shot...

I presume you have solid rotors on the front of your fine machine? If you have ventilated rotors, your car has almost certainly has had a caliper change.

Another thing is that many non-specialist parts vendors think that because 140s all have virtually the same shape, they all have all the same parts - which is untrue, as the 140s had many 'one year model only' components. So on that principle, they lump ATE and Girling pads together and say "yeah mate, it fits a 140" until they learn their folly the hard way.

Here's a trick: If you find a set of pads around and the seller says the same part number will also fit a 1973 164E, then either they're the wrong pads for you, or the seller doesn't know what they're talking about, since ALL 164s in '73 got ATE front calipers with ventilated rotors, and vented and non-vented ATE pads will interchange.

Some 140s also got non-ventilated ATE fronts, but I've never seen any in OZ. Plus AFAIK, no 140 was fitted with ventilated rotors from the factory.

Thus the 140 and 164 from pads for (standard) 1973 model cars cannot be the same.

He said he has Girling calipers, so obviously he hasn't got 164 ATE vented rotor calipers.

That was his point.

carnut222

Spac;130935 wrote
carnut222;130933 wrote
bgpzfm142;130931 wrote
Crackatinny;8307 wroteMy pad is 98mmx60mm (See attached pic). IThe caliper has a G embossed on it so assume it is Girling. I think through a bit of research the TRW part number might be GDB576. Girling number 6105761. Bosch number BP169. Can anyone verify these part numbers or give me others.
According to Girling themselves -

6105761 (Brake Pad Set, disc brake)
Fitting Position: Front Axle
Type: 142
Manufacturer Restriction: TRW
Wear Warning Contact: not prepared for wear indicator
Height [mm]: 60,3
Length [mm]: 98,3
Thickness [mm]: 16

The original asbestos Volvo pads were p/n 272534, then superseded by p/n 272566-1.
There was also a 'taxi' set available - p/n 275894-4

The new part number from Mother Volvo for asbestos free pads appears to be 31261180.
https://www.volvopartswebstore.com/products/Volvo/Brake-pad-kit/1128362/31261180.html

These are an alternative.
https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/volvo-disc-brake-pad-bp43

Also can anyone explain why the pads are different to those I find under 1973 144?
I'm anyone, and I'll have a shot...

I presume you have solid rotors on the front of your fine machine? If you have ventilated rotors, your car has almost certainly has had a caliper change.

Another thing is that many non-specialist parts vendors think that because 140s all have virtually the same shape, they all have all the same parts - which is untrue, as the 140s had many 'one year model only' components. So on that principle, they lump ATE and Girling pads together and say "yeah mate, it fits a 140" until they learn their folly the hard way.

Here's a trick: If you find a set of pads around and the seller says the same part number will also fit a 1973 164E, then either they're the wrong pads for you, or the seller doesn't know what they're talking about, since ALL 164s in '73 got ATE front calipers with ventilated rotors, and vented and non-vented ATE pads will interchange.

Some 140s also got non-ventilated ATE fronts, but I've never seen any in OZ. Plus AFAIK, no 140 was fitted with ventilated rotors from the factory.

Thus the 140 and 164 from pads for (standard) 1973 model cars cannot be the same.

He said he has Girling calipers, so obviously he hasn't got 164 ATE vented rotor calipers.
That was his point.

Sorry i was just confused as to why bgpzfm142 was asking a question whether the OP had vented rotors on his car and whether the calipers had been changed...it was a moot point as the OP stated he had Girling calipers.

Major Ledfoot

Girling calipers with vented rotors were fitted on some early 240s.

These cars are 45 years old now, and a lot of bodgie frackery can and has happened to many cars, e.g. the 79 model indicator stalk, incorrect flasher unit, and toggle switch for RH turns(!) which was fitted to one of my 142s when purchased.

Until you see everything, presume nothing.

carnut222

bgpzfm142;130944 wroteGirling calipers with vented rotors were fitted on some early 240s.

These cars are 45 years old now, and a lot of bodgie frackery can and has happened to many cars, e.g. the 79 model indicator stalk, incorrect flasher unit, and toggle switch for RH turns(!) which was fitted to one of my 142s when purchased.

Until you see everything, presume nothing.

Agreed! According to what I can tell the front pads are same for all 140s and 240s with front Girling calipers, vented or not. If that's true it makes things a bit easier to sort out. Researching things like that on the net can be a bit misleading so hopefully I haven't given any incorrect advice.