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T5 gearbox conversion

Barwick10Will (@Barwick10) Nowra/Wollongong
edited October 2015 in General
Need some help in regards to doing a T5 swap for the B230 that will be built shortly. Can anyone help me with regards to adapters and sourcing the right clutch?
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  • nickmnicko (@nickm) Sydeneee --- home of the traffic jamb, over priced coffee, and the 2000 Olympics
    edited October 2014
    Cut from my turbo bricks post
    forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=244360&highlight=australian+t5%2A

    Lets look at what common world class T5 boxes are available in Australia.

    Commodore V6 and V8 VN-VS series 1.
    Ford inline 6 and V8. EB series2 -???

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    All these boxes use this bellhousing pattern (ford and holden)
    Making them suitable candidates for the conversion/adapter plates available in the US.


    The primary difference between the boxes are the input shaft, gear ratios, and tail shaft shifter placement.

    Input shaft

    Input shafts are swappable between world class boxes depending on the bearing styles..
    You must use a shaft of 9-1/4" to suit the Volvo bell housing and adpater plate. This is the common one from a US mustang box.
    Pull the old shaft and count the teeth to see which is suitable.

    3.33 gear sets.
    Ford Mustang Borg Warner T5 Transmission World Class Input Shaft
    part number: 1352-085-025
    10 Splines, 23 Teeth and the length is 9 1/4"

    2.95 gear set
    BW # 13-52-085-020
    9.25 in length
    10 spline 24T
    .67 pilot diameter

    SKF bearings have a suitable pilot bearing.



    Gear Ratios
    In general both 6 cylinders got the 3.33 geat set.
    It seems the both Ford and Commodore V8s got the 2.95 ratios
    there appears to be a 2.95 box from the XR6 T5z too.



    Tail Shaft Housing and shifter placement

    200 needs 20 1/2" face to shifter. ????
    700 needs 24 1/2" face to shifter.
    This is a good source for the measurements
    http://people.physics.anu.edu.au/~am..._volvo_240.htm

    The Commodore T5 Box has a shifter approximatively 23" back
    The Ford T5 is 21 1/2" back


    These are the dimensions of the US Mustang box

    picture.php?albumid=231&pictureid=2293

    Remember to add the adapter plate thickness when calculating the overall measurement for the shifter position, usually 1/2".



    Tail/Drive shafts.
    Can be approached in the same way as the US conversions


    Clutch plates
    Off the shelf plates are available here. They suit the dished flywheel set up.
    The Exedy catalogue has a clutch plate that is suitable
    http://www.exedy.com.au/clutch-finder
    using the new ford input shaft
    Size 228mm

    Spline OD 27.5
    No. of Teeth 10


    Gearbox Mounts
    will be the same or similar to the US conversions
    a 700 Auto cross member seems the easiest way to mount the T5 in a 700



    Adapter Plates

    There are several available. But The Avalache kit seems the simplest install.
    Now called "Dee works" available from
    RSI http://yhst-26451710505916.stores.ya.../b2t5trad.html
    or Yoshifab
    http://yoshifab.com/store/index.php?...&productId=108

    You use the standard manual setup from the respective vehicle. Same cluch fork and slave cylinder setup



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    This is a great resource about these transmissions. It gives you a chance to see how similar the Australian units are to the US.

    http://www.flatheadv8.org/T5Rebuild.pdf


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    Ok got some progress on a conversion for a 740.
    I have an Australian commodore T5 box here.
    Shifter to face 23".
    Input shaft 23T - 250mm.

    Got some better pricing on making up adapter plates, down to $150 CNC milled from the CAD file in 20mm Aluminium.
    70mm is way to pricey
    So still leaves the shaft length
    The mustang 23t should work will order one. ($110including postage)

    All up shifter 30mm to short (not bad? compared to the US) just a little extension.
    Tail shaft shorten the AW71 2 peice and add a 1310 yoke.


    Question as the release bearing(throwout) is my next part to sort out.

    Can any one see a reason not to machine down the T5's bearing retainer so it runs into the Volvo throwout bearing. The Avalanche adapters seem not to have an issue with this thickness?
    This rather than machine the bellhousing to accept the T5 shaft and use a T5 release bearing?
  • nickmnicko (@nickm) Sydeneee --- home of the traffic jamb, over priced coffee, and the 2000 Olympics
    uploaded some photos to my page here.
    picture.php?albumid=231&pictureid=1717

    This is for a 700-900 series needing a 24 1/2" length shifter.
    picture.php?albumid=231&pictureid=1712



    Adapter plate
    Got a plate water cut from the CAD file here in 12mm plate. $30 stock and $50 cutting. Fits great. PM me if you want the company that did it.
    picture.php?albumid=231&pictureid=1713

    From a V6 commodore box I used a Mustang input shaft, the one that fits the 3.33 gear set.
    Ford Mustang Borg Warner T5 Transmission World Class Input Shaft
    part number: 1352-085-025
    10 Splines, 23 Teeth and the length is 9-1/4
    picture.php?albumid=231&pictureid=1718

    I used a unmodified M46 Bell housing

    picture.php?albumid=231&pictureid=1714
    The clutch bearing carrier on the bell housing was reamed out about .1mm to fit the input shaft.

    picture.php?albumid=231&pictureid=1715

    From the photos you can see I used a locating ring with the T5s bearing retainer.
    This could have been done differently if the guys who did the machining had been a little more careful.picture.php?albumid=231&pictureid=1716
  • i have an E series coon box here

    ill try to remember to measure it, i think its pretty similar to the commy box
  • Vee_QueVee_Que (@Vee_Que) South Eastern suburbs Melbourne.
    Have the bearing cone and adaptor plate drilled and tapped with the bellhousing at the attached now. Next step pilot bearing, mount for crossmember and not much else from the looks of it once I have the tailshaft sent off
  • Are the dimensions for the 240 the same as for a late-model 140? (i.e. originally designed for the M40 with the extension housing and the short shift lever)

    Present plan is to fit L-block B230 sitting upright, with 16v head, +t, into a 1974 142 - and thus a strong 'box with sensible radios is needed.

    Also AFAIK Deeworks also sells the kit direct.

    deeworks.ca/en/t5.html

  • nickmnicko (@nickm) Sydeneee --- home of the traffic jamb, over priced coffee, and the 2000 Olympics
    Measure your block face to shifter and compare to a m46. Can't say about the tunnel. Or whether you will need open the hole in the floor a bit.
    What I do know is that the mustang T5 with a 19.5" shifter position is not a very common box in Australia.The Australian ford T5 shifter sits about 1 or 1.5" further back. If @jonbot measures it then you will know if any cutting needs to be done.
    Seeing the deeworks kit you can use an upright mount for the box.
    The commodore box is better suited to the 700-900.
  • jonbotjonbot (@jonbot) Moonbi NSW
    edited October 2014
    E series T5 is 21 1/2 inches

    Close enough to suit either, 1/2" shorter than the Commy T5
  • nickmnicko (@nickm) Sydeneee --- home of the traffic jamb, over priced coffee, and the 2000 Olympics
    thanks... so will a ford t5 shifter pop out the hole in a 200 or do you need to cut metal? for a 700 it's a bit short....ash tray and fuse box.
  • thanks... so will a ford t5 shifter pop out the hole in a 200 or do you need to cut metal? for a 700 it's a bit short....ash tray and fuse box.

    Half an inch shorter than a Commy T5

    Though you have conflicting measurements

    Its close enough that it should work for a 200
  • nickmnicko (@nickm) Sydeneee --- home of the traffic jamb, over priced coffee, and the 2000 Olympics
    edited October 2014
    23" vs 21 1/2 from my photo.

    IIRC that was not including the adaptor plate. So about 1 1/2" different.
    When looking at the 2 the difference is notability more than 1/2"
  • 23" vs 21 1/2 from my photo.

    IIRC that was not including the adaptor plate. So about 1 1/2" different.
    When looking at the 2 the difference is notability more than 1/2"

    Pic not work on my phone :P

    Close enough for me, 940 dosnt have an ashtray or stereo any more anyway

    Realistically better suited to a 200 but for $120, I'm not going to complain
  • nickmnicko (@nickm) Sydeneee --- home of the traffic jamb, over priced coffee, and the 2000 Olympics
    :) the one above with the rule next to it..

    even if you install the ford one, it would be easy to swap it to a commodore box
  • once i break the falcon one with a falcon turbo on 16v thing
  • Ex850RSnoopy (@Ex850R) Somewhere Over the Rainbow. Melbourne.
    edited October 2014
    Get a Holset and give me that XR6 Garrett snail!
  • Hmmmm....





    No



    :P
  • volvodrivermanvolvodriverman (@volvodriverman) Barringwood Estate, Tasmania
    Peaked interest for 240 application as another m46 asssploded 3rd...
  • jonbotjonbot (@jonbot) Moonbi NSW
    edited October 2014
    falcon bawks, mustang input shaft, adapter and clutch from yoshifab

    something something tailshaft

    (assuming youre into off the shelf parts)
  • volvodrivermanvolvodriverman (@volvodriverman) Barringwood Estate, Tasmania
    That the technical version?:-P
  • i am qualified you know


    qualified in what, i have no idea
  • "Qualified" he said. See the world he said!
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